Bro's before Ho's?

topic posted Wed, July 26, 2006 - 3:23 PM by  Unsubscribed
Can they still invoke that rule once they get married?!?!??!

I mean, I see in a way how by marrying him I married his friends too. But when a friend has seriously insulted and threatened your wife's well being, when your wife has repeatedly asked to take a break from said friend, and when you yourself have gotten so mad and fed up with said friend that you have expressed numerous times recently that you don't want to see said friend either...... is it unreasonable for your wife to ask that you leave a gathering TOGETHER when said friend shows up expressly uninvited?

And, since you did not leave said gathering together and instead left your wife to make her exit by herself while you made nice with said friend whom you said you didn't want to see.... would you be surprised and caught off guard by your wife feeling betrayed and hurt?
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    Wed, July 26, 2006 - 3:57 PM
    As newlyweds, we've encountered this only once. My husband's friends are nearly all women and there is a particular female who REALLY annoys me. I feel your pain. During one of our conversations on it, he finally said he wasn't going to be caught in the middle of a pissing contest...

    He didn't get any that night. Hee hee.

    Since then, I haven't backed down with her. She doesn't come around any more.
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      Wed, July 26, 2006 - 4:10 PM
      And that is ok with him that he can't see his friend anymore? I mean, have you just agreed to disagree? What about when you're out somewhere, meaning not your home, and that friend shows up? Do you just play nice, ignore her, leave? What does your dh do then?

      We haven't talked in depth about this at all yet, it happened last night, and I'm dreading going home. I feel really hurt, I feel incredibly betrayed that he would choose this friend, who he supposedly didn't want to see anymore either, over my very real need. He just doesn't see that he did anything "wrong" by staying and allowing me to then seem incredibly childish (which is the flack I'm getting from friends) for not just sucking it up.. since the situation is obviously not as bad as I say if my own dh is willing to hang out with the guy. It's turned into me overreacting and treating this guy like dirt when HE has treated ME like dirt!!!!

      Can I say I don't want him to be friends with someone? I don't really think I CAN and so I'm miserable trying to come up with a solution to this horrid situation! But everything I do come up with is basically me backing down, me putting up with, me compromising what is important for me... all to try and uphold something that is important to my dh. No one wins. There has to be something that is done in this kind of situation!!! I don't know what I'm doing with this whole marriage thing!!
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        Wed, July 26, 2006 - 4:17 PM
        Yes, we've agreed to disagree and he meets her for lunch or goes to her house to visit the hubby and baby. Hell, I even told him to go stay there for a weekend to get his fill and have fun with the baby, too. Is that something that you guys could work out?

        Maybe the best way to start the conversation with your man would be to tell him that you feel really hurt. That way he feels for you right from the start. Chose your words carefully and let it all out. Full on honest communication is the only way Landy and I get through all the things that life throws at us.

        As far as the whole marriage thing? I'm seriously laughing over here. It's been quite the challange, huh? I love him more than anything, but I've really had to grow up in order to do it.
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          Wed, July 26, 2006 - 4:32 PM
          I suppose it's something that can be worked out that way, but up until last night, my dh and the people at the gathering didn't want anything to do with him either. We all agreed over the phone that we were getting together and that no one was going to invite, let alone tell, this guy we were getting together. We weren't going to tell him b/c he's been known to beligerantly show up when he's not invited!!! Which he did.. once again! Which means someone told him, but I don't know who. I mean, it's like, one moment my dh is on the same page as me with this guy and the next he's not. And I'm the one being looked at like I'm crazy and immature for not being able to "be the better person" and just accept that he's an ass for crashing this gathering and being polite to him. The VERY reason we've been avoiding him is his unacceptable behavior... and by "being the better person" I think everyone is sending out the message that, "Actually, your behavior is perfectly acceptable b/c no one will stand up to you or follow through when they tell you they don't want to be your friend anymore."

          This is someone who has had restraining orders against him in the past, court ordered anger management classes in the past, and has seriously scared me and a number of his friends with his anger and physical violence. This is someone who LIES constantly. This is not someone I want to know, at all! But now, apparently, dh has changed his mind and still wants to be friends with him at my expense.

          I guess my real question is, do you expect your husband (or wife) to put you first over his (her) friends in any situation? I do, and I never before questioned whether my dh did or not, I just assumed he did as well. And now, apparently, I know he doesn't put me first. That hurts, really badly.
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            Wed, July 26, 2006 - 4:34 PM
            I meant to say, that I would put dh first in any situation. ;-P
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              Wed, July 26, 2006 - 6:56 PM
              If this "friend" has seriously threatened you in the past, there is no reason your husband should be friends with him anymore. You can call me childish if you want, but I'd tell him to choose, me or the friend. If he loves you, he'll give up the friend for your safety.
              If it was not a threatening situation, then I would just have a talk with him and tell him that I felt that he picked the friend over me, even though we had agreed on this before the party, and that I feel betrayed. Friends come and go, but you promised to love me forever, in sickness and health, for richer or poorer, til death do we part. I wouldn't let this go. If this "friend" has a problem with his temper and threatens people and hurts people, then he needs to go.
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                Thu, July 27, 2006 - 7:09 AM
                OMGosh, Eva!! Your husbands friend sounds exactly like my husbands now gone (thank you Lord) friend.

                Everyone.. I mean EVERYONE hated this guy and no one could understand why my husband was EVER friends with him. This guy would flat out disrespect me! I told my husband how much he bothered me, to the point where I didn't even want to hang out with the two of them if ever he came to visit. My husband would always say, "oh that's just him" "be the bigger person"...

                It finally ended when the guy started disrespecting our marriage.. I guess for my husband that was the last straw, though he later admitted that he should have ended the friendship a LONG time ago.

                I think Jeanne is totally right, tell your husband flat out how you feel... give examples!! Ask him how he would feel if he was in your place.
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                  Thu, July 27, 2006 - 9:56 AM
                  Phew! Ok, we can now cross out "Biggest Most Constructive Fight To Date" from our to-do list!

                  I just want to say first, that fighting when your married is VERY different than fighting with a significant other who you are not married to. I think both of us worked ourselves up before hand with this assumption, and then when we actually sat down, looked each other in the face, we realized that it was completely different than fighting with anyone else we'd ever fought with. First off, there was no fear that if I said something he really didn't like he'd leave me and instead there was a very real need for both of us to completely speak our minds b/c we couldn't just end the fight by walking away and never talking again. We both had to be completely satisfied with whatever outcome we came up with. Second, I really, truly, did not want to hurt him, so even though I was going to speak my mind completely, I recognized and WANTED to take the sting out of what I had to say. I didn't want to yell at him, I wanted him to understand. So, that being said, we had a constructive instead of destructive fight.

                  DH was able to show me that when he had decided to stay, he wasn't deciding to hang out with this friend. He was, instead, deciding not to let this guy affect what he had planned to be doing that evening. He wanted to be there, he had planned to be there all day, and he wasn't going to let this guy ruin his evening by running him off. He felt he WAS supporting my decision to leave by giving me the key and finding his own ride home.

                  I, in turn, was able to somewhat show him that in choosing to show a, divided front shall we say, I felt he was not supporting my decision not to see this person. I admit, I didn't try all that hard to "convince" him of the validity of my hurt and instead just asked him to recognize that it was there. In examining his point of view, I came to realize that he does not feel a need for a unified "team" thing in our marriage, in fact, a real aversion to one, so I thought there was no point in trying to make him understand it.

                  Much crying and hugging throughout and while this whole friend issue is far from resolved, I am no longer in a fight with my husband. He assures me that he does not want anything to do with this person still, that he did not even acknowledge this person's presence that night. Since it seems we can't control where this person goes exept when it comes to our own house, we'll have to be dealing with this situation in the future again... but at least now I will know that in choosing to stay my dh is not choosing him over me. And I'm free to leave all I want.. and I was not the only one who left either.
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                    Thu, July 27, 2006 - 10:18 AM
                    (((hugs)))

                    Your first paragraph really touched me and totally made me value marriage... it rocks!!

                    But him not seeing marriage as a team thing is kind of cause for concern...I mean I totally get being your own person and all that, but for me at least when my husband and I are together we are a team!

                    We've both had our share of friends that each of us didn't like... but over time we weeded those people out because we both saw how they were either harmful for him or me.. or how they harmed the harmony of our marriage. So maybe over time he'll see this and you both can close the door on this friend.
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                      Thu, July 27, 2006 - 10:39 AM
                      Oh yes, we aren't in disagreement that we don't want this person in our lives, just in the implementation of getting him out of our lives.

                      As for the team thing, I guess it just comes down to he has a different view of what team means than I do. He considered we were still a team, and stronger for it, when I was able to do one thing and he could to the other. I felt that doing the same thing was representing our teamness. It's something I'm sure we will work with continually and hopefully our views of what it means to be a team will get clearer and closer as we go.

                      Thanks for all the support everyone!!

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