Hi All,
Just figured I'd move this discussion to a new thread so as not to high jack the sex in marriage one anymore. :-) I was interested in other people's opinions on their spouses having a "wandering" eye, or mind through fantasies, and whether you are ok with it? Do you tolerate it with limits? Is it completely forbidden? Is it a reaccuring issue in your relationship or is your system working? Things like looking at other people on the street, porn, fantasies while masturbating, etc. I know this could possibly be a charged and too personal subject for some, but I really am interested if you feel willing to talk about it.
I've always felt like my view has been unbelievable to people, or even offensive to some, and just wondered if I really am the only wife out there who is ok with BOTH of us doing this? By no means is he the only one in this relationship that gets to look at porn, or do any of the above things, and I really feel it isn't going to lead us down some slippery slope to doom because we do. In fact, both of us feel it's one of the healthiest parts of our relationship; that we accept that there are going to be other people we find attractive and that it's ok.. as long as we don't break the commitment we made to each other. Am I totally off my rocker? Am I going to find we're horribly wrong 10 years down the line?
Thanks for your views...
Just figured I'd move this discussion to a new thread so as not to high jack the sex in marriage one anymore. :-) I was interested in other people's opinions on their spouses having a "wandering" eye, or mind through fantasies, and whether you are ok with it? Do you tolerate it with limits? Is it completely forbidden? Is it a reaccuring issue in your relationship or is your system working? Things like looking at other people on the street, porn, fantasies while masturbating, etc. I know this could possibly be a charged and too personal subject for some, but I really am interested if you feel willing to talk about it.
I've always felt like my view has been unbelievable to people, or even offensive to some, and just wondered if I really am the only wife out there who is ok with BOTH of us doing this? By no means is he the only one in this relationship that gets to look at porn, or do any of the above things, and I really feel it isn't going to lead us down some slippery slope to doom because we do. In fact, both of us feel it's one of the healthiest parts of our relationship; that we accept that there are going to be other people we find attractive and that it's ok.. as long as we don't break the commitment we made to each other. Am I totally off my rocker? Am I going to find we're horribly wrong 10 years down the line?
Thanks for your views...
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Re: "Wandering" Eye or Mind
Thu, April 6, 2006 - 1:47 PMhi! well i honestly don't like porn and i've not been attracted to another man (or woman) ever besides my husband. i am the weird one, i know. up until a little while ago when i read his postings about his fantasies and temptations, i stupidly thought he felt the same about me. so more power to u for being attracted to others. if i were, i don't think it would kill me so bad to know he uses porn and covets our neighbors wife. wonder which one... they're all pretty nasty. -
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Thu, April 6, 2006 - 1:50 PMps: i grew up with a dad who used porn and who constantly (still) points out how pretty certain women are (to his daughter!!!) that scarred me. i grew up thinking that i wasnt pretty cause i didn't look like all those women. (perfect scene from What Dreams May Come... the daughter chooses to be an Asian woman in heaven cause her dad always said how beautiful and smart they are). so perhaps he's to blame that i feel like an ugly piece of lard. or maybe it's a husband who can't even lie any more that i'm the only one he's attracted to? HMM>>> not surprised he"s attracted to other women< just really surprised he posted about it> so... U GO GIRL -
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Thu, April 6, 2006 - 3:10 PMMy father was actually the same way funny enough, though I never saw or heard of him looking at porn. He still points out all the "hot" ladies and used to make comments when I was in highschool about why wasn't I friends with that hottie? Then I could bring her home to a pool party for him. UGH! I still hate that, but luckily it never made me feel less attractive. However, that is NOT how my dh and I appreciate attractive people and it doesn't have the same icky effect on me. Weird though, that growing up with the same kind of thing produced to women on opposite sides of the issue.
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Thu, April 6, 2006 - 5:01 PMI think there's a difference in how we look at another person. There's that saying, "I'm married, I'm not dead!" My husband appreciates a beautiful woman, but never in a way that makes me feel like he wants to be with her. He would never make crude comments like your father made, Eva. He likes porn sometimes, but again, I don't feel like he's wishing I were like that. I'm not really into porn and I don't have desires for anyone but my husband, but I can appreciate a beautiful, sexy man. I can even appreciate a beautiful woman and my husband and I can talk about who is gorgeous and who isn't. There are people who look at people in a way that's more actively sexual, if that makes sense. Lacivious or lustful with the desire to be with that person and a wish that they could be. That would bother me. Mild, friendly flirting doesn't even bother me. If my husband were having an online relationship, or phone sex, that would bug me.
I've been with my husband 15 years and we've always been like this. We're 100% faithful and don't want to mess up what we have for some passing lust. We have lots of lust for each other still. Looking is fine. I was insecure in high school and didn't have a serious relationship until I was 30 and that was my husband. I'm not at all insecure about him.
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Thu, April 6, 2006 - 6:31 PMThanks for responding! I really relate to what you said, that's how it feels for us.
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Thu, April 6, 2006 - 8:02 PMWe totally look at other people. Even point them out to each other. To me, looking at a beautiful person is no different than looking at a beautiful painting. Just because you think someone is beautiful does not mean you are attracted to them. And if you *are* attracted, remember that humans are complex, intensely emotional animals, and attraction is a dominant emotion (essential for survival of the species, really). You can't just turn it off because you both signed the same piece of paper. Attraction is not the problem. It's what you *do* with that attraction.
So, no, you are not the only wife out there, you are not off your rocker, and I predict that in 10 years you will still feel like a newlywed. -
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Fri, April 7, 2006 - 12:10 AMok ok ok ....check it out. i'm not really a bad guy here....
first...wife....since we're taking a personal matter to an online discussion....what i meant was i keep my own mind in check. i do not let my mind wander. if something should come up.....i quickly dismiss it. i don't dwell and fantasize about it. i was heterosexual before i met you. i was attracted to you! i am attracted to you. i think you're beautiful....look.....there was never anyone before you. i have no memory of any other woman. ever. not a kiss. not a love letter. not a nothing. never. can you imagine? no. i was defending you and your views about pornography. i wasn't making an online confession about my secret desires for other women. because i have none. there is no one. not now not ever. and you don't trust me because...why? i have never......ok. i was only trying to say that a person does not have to entertain those thoughts. they can choose not to. and i'm sorry what i said hurt you.
eva. you go girl. she said it right. more power to you. if you are confident.....and strong....and whatever it takes to be ok with it......heck yeah. i'm sorry if it seemed like i was trying to convince you that you should distrust your husband....or spawn any feelings of jealousy. we, here, live a very different lifestyle. there is no talk about fantasy or desire that doesn't turn into a traumatic experience. we might get divorced because of this! she loves me less because if this. she said "one more crumble in the foundation". so if you can explore your own feelings and are ok with your most loved one doing the same.....while maintaining a happy marriage, good for you. i was more of getting a querry about it. i was surprised that a real person actually felt that way. i have no idea what people think out there. in here we turn our heads when people kiss on tv. not exagerating. and that's not a problem for me as long as its equal between us....but from what i've learned, it's different for girls. i don't know....and i don't really care. i'm sorry if i sounded contrary, or if i presented myself as a bad guy who lusts after other women....i'm sooooo totally not that guy. you have no idea.....
also i'm a little embarassed about this whole situation. i don't like being made fun of on the web...not that it REALLY matters....except that it was by you, carrie, my wife. i liked it better when i could look for insight anonymously. it works away at the bias. but i realize that i know nothing. i can't defend women without hurting one. i feel like an over bearing christian who feels sorry for non christians.....but those are my views....i simply don't understand. i haven't enough maturity or experience on the matter. i can only theorise.
prolly leave this tribe....might be for a different crowd than me....
sorry guys.
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Fri, April 7, 2006 - 12:26 AMp.s. i got you a rose.
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Fri, April 7, 2006 - 9:13 AMMicha... no hard feelings from me! Your posts were never negative or offensive, just made me think and have to put what before has just always been there into words to describe it. So actually, thank you for the discussion!
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Wed, May 24, 2006 - 3:15 PMKind of in the same boat. We too point out people to each other. We do it to teasingly with each other. I respect my wifey though and would never do anything that made her feel uncomfortable. We are just both fine with this and enjoy the fun. We also trust each other.
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Mon, May 8, 2006 - 10:52 AMI'm a newly-wed guy and very, very happily married to The Right Person. She's amazing and I've never been happier in my life!
That being said, I do look at porn occasionally, notice attractive women, and sometimes fantasize about other women. Above and beyond all that, I know I will not ever act on these fantasies, nor will I ever allow these fantasies to become anything more tangible. Fantasies are best left in the bottom drawe of my mind. Also, I'd never say to Wife "Hey, look at that chick! What a hottie!" Why wouldn't I? Because I wold never deliberately say something that would make my wife feel anything less than the wonderful woman that she is. There are many beautiful women out there but as beautiful as her, and I'm sure to remind her every chance I get.
I guess that a "wandering eye" is most ddangerous when it's attached to a head that can't keep the rest of the body parts fro wandering, too. -
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Mon, May 8, 2006 - 12:57 PMI think as some of us were saying, looking at someone beautiful makes you human. My husband would never say, "Look at that hottie!" That's just sleezy in my book. I don't mind if he notices a beautiful woman, though, because I know he's going home with me.
Congrats, Newly Married Guy! I wish you much happiness!
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